power in the region, maybe susan rice will be more alard than john kerry. >> chris: kirsten will the president name her. >> i don't know. if he does, that kind of arrogance, which is what i think it could be, could be his undoing, if she's put under oath and forced to go through and answer all of these questions about benghazi, i think it is going to put the administration in a really bad position and i don't think she was the front-runner. i don't understand where it came out of, everything i had heard was, she was in the running, and it was really leaning more towards john kerry and we have a press conference with the president, the president kind of went off, about susan rice, and, it has now become almost a sense of pride. so -- >> chris: you think he cornered himself in the press conference? >> i do. >> chris: saying what he said and if he doesn't name her it looks like he is caving. >> i feel he did and i don't know it was intentional and he went a little overboard. his defense of her was fine to a point and then it went into an area that wasn't -- didn't really make sense. and